- Bonsoir, Mesdames et
Messieurs. Oh, sorry.
Bonsoir, Mesdames et Messieurs,
et bienvenue à cette séance
ordinaire du 3 octobre 2023.
Programmation. Même si nous
sommes au mois d'octobre, il
fait encore très chaud... on est
chanceux! Nos jeux d'eau sont
toujours ouverts, mais ils vont
fermer lundi prochain, le 9
octobre, alors que la météo
d'automne s'installera partout.
Nous sommes à préparer notre
programmation pour la fin de
l'automne et l'hiver, mais
présentement, nous avons deux
expositions très spéciales qui
sont en cours. La première est à
la salle d'exposition de Stewart
Hall. Jusqu'au 22 octobre, vous
pouvez visiter l'exposition de
l'artiste Andréanne
Abbondanza-Bergeron intitulée
Déferlements, qui a été réalisée
à partir de matériaux de
construction industriels, une
installation qui occupe
l'entièreté de l'espace
d'exposition. La deuxième est à
la bibliothèque centrale,
intitulée Sur une berge près de
chez vous. Cette dernière a été
réalisée à partir de matières
plastiques et médias collectés
un peu partout sur les berges
québécoises et canadiennes. Sa
créatrice multidisciplinaire
Anne-Marie Asselin, fondatrice
de l'Organisation Bleue, est
aussi biologiste marine. Vous
avez jusqu'au 18 octobre pour
visiter cette exposition.
>> Good evening, ladies and
gentlemen, welcome to our
meeting, October 3rd, 2023. Even
though we are in October, it is
still very warm this week. Our
splash pads are still open, but
we will be closing on Monday on
October 9th as the fall weather
settles in. We are preparing our
programming for late autumn and
winter, but right now we have
two very special expeditions
exposition's underway, the first
at Stewart Hall exhibition hall,
where until October 22nd you can
visit the work of Andrea and --
you can visitor exposition
breakaways, made from industrial
materials. It's an installation
that occupies the entire
expedition space. The second one
is at the central library,
entitled on a shoreline near
you. It's a contemporary visual
and multi media art exhibition
created entirely from plastic
and media materials collected
from all over Québec and
Canadian shorelines. It's multi
disciplinary can creator,
Anne-Marie as a law, founder of
the blue coalition, is also a
marine biologist. The ex
exhibition runs until October
18th.
Plan d'urbanisme. La Ville de
Pointe-Claire convie les
citoyennes et citoyens à prendre
part au quatrième atelier de
participation citoyenne de
révision du plan d'urbanisme,
mercredi 25 octobre, à 19h, au
Centre nautique de la
Baie-de-Valois. L'objectif est
de vous présenter différentes
façons de contribuer à la ville
résiliente et au développement
urbain durable. En plus, c'est
une belle occasion d'échanger
sur votre vision de l'avenir de
la Ville de Pointe-Claire. Pour
participer, il est important de
réserver votre place en
remplissant le formulaire au
plus tard le jeudi 19 octobre, à
16h. Ce dernier est disponible
sur le site Web d'Eventbrite.
>> Urban plan. The city of
Pointe-Claire invited citizens
to take part in the fourth
collaborative workshop as part
of its planning program review
process. The event will be held
on Wednesday, October 25th, at
seven PM at -- nautical Centre.
This fourth workshop will focus
on the theme of empowering
individual contributions for
sustainable urban development.
The objective of the event is to
present different ways and which
citizens can and do contribute
to the resilient city and
sustainable urban development.
This is an opportunity to
discuss your vision of the
future of the city of
Pointe-Claire. It is important
to reserve your spot to
participate by completing the
forum no later than Thursday
October 19th at four PM. The
registration form is on the
event bright website.
Action de grâces. Horaires des
services municipaux. En raison
de la fête de l'Action de grâce,
les bureaux administratifs de la
Ville de Pointe-Claire, de même
que la Bibliothèque publique et
le Centre culturel Stewart Hall,
seront fermés le lundi 9 octobre
2023. Le Centre aquatique de
Pointe-Claire aura un horaire
modifié les dimanche 8 octobre
et lundi 9 octobre. Pour
consulter ces horaires
particuliers, consultez la
section Sports et Loisirs du
site Web de la Ville. L'aréna
Bob-Birnie sera ouvert
uniquement de 9h15 à 14h le
lundi 9 octobre, tandis que le
Centre sportif Olive-Urquhart
sera fermé ce jour-là. Veuillez
prendre note qu'à compter du
mardi 10 octobre, l'Hôtel de
ville et les services
administratifs seront ouverts du
lundi au vendredi, de 8h30 à
16h30.
>> Thanksgiving schedule
municipal services due to the
Thanksgiving holiday, city of
Pointe-Claire's administrative
offices as well as the public
library and the Stewart Hall
cultural centre will be closed
on Monday, October 9th, 2023.
The Pointe-Claire aquatic center
will have a modified schedule on
Sunday, October 8th, and Monday
October 9th's. To consult the
special operating hours, visit
the sports and leisure section
on the City's website. The
Bob-Birnie arena will only be
open from 9:15 until two PM on
Monday. October 9th. While the
Olive-Urquhart Sports Centre
will be closed on that day.
Please note, starting on
Tuesday, October 10th, City Hall
in the administrative services
will be open Monday to Friday,
8:30 a.m. to 4:30 PM.
En terminant, j'aimerais
féliciter notre nouveau
directeur général adjoint, qui
est entré en fonction dans son
nouveau rôle le 11 septembre
dernier. Je suis confiant qu'il
sera d'un grand soutien pour
notre direct très ce générale et
qu'il sera... saura mener à bien
les nombreux dossiers et projets
de notre ville qui lui seront
confiés.
>> In closing let regulators are
new assistant city manager who
took up his new role on
September 11th. I am confident
that he will be of great support
to our city manager, Karina
fouled on, and that he will
successfully complete the many
programs industry interested to
him. Période de questions.
Question period. Je m'excuse!
J'allais trop vite.
- 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du
jour.
>> 1.1, adoption of the agenda.
>> So I have a mover?
>> -- district to.
>> Read
>> Mr. --?
>> And secular?
>> Brad --, district eight.
>> All in favour? Now, question
period. Okay.
Pour la période de questions, ce
soir, à la période de questions,
vous avez été accueilli à
l'entrée pour vous inscrire à la
période de questions.
L'intention de cette démarche
est d'abord de permettre aux
personnes de demeurer à six
jusqu'à l'appel de leurs noms et
d'accorder la priorité aux
résidents et résidentes de
Pointe-Claire. Nous garderons 90
minutes pour la période de
questions. Deuxièmement, une
personne à la fois au micro.
Nous vous remercions d'attendre
qu'un citoyen est terminé de
poser sa question et que vous
soyez appelé avant de vous lever
pour venir poser votre question.
Troisièmement, les non-résidents
présents pourront poser leurs
questions par la suite, si le
temps n'est pas écouler.
>> For question period, tonight,
during question period, you are
greeted at the entrance to
register for the period. The
goal of this approach is to
allow people to remain seated
until their name is called and
give priority to Pointe-Claire
residents. Excuse me. We shall
stick to the nine minute time
limit for question period. One
person at a time at the
microphone. Thank you for
waiting for a citizen to finish
asking their question and to be
called before you get up to ask
yours, and three, finally,
nonresidents president will be
able to ask questions afterward
if there is still time. First
up, Linda Dumas, or Dumas. Do
miss? Sorry about that.
>> It's Greek.
[Laughter]
>> It looked Québécois, thank
you.
>> This is the third time I am
here. I am really tired, and I
am always nervous, but in front
of you, councillors and Mayor,
you have examples of two
petitions that were emailed to
be emailed to engage citizens
and they have gone out September
5th and of course the topic is
biodiversity and a symbol of
that biodiversity is the
Fairview forest. It is right in
our city. And then there are two
examples. Many people only wish
to sign in person signature
petitions or, I call them
awareness statements. It doesn't
have to be called a petition. On
one of the four statements my
husband and I have reduced the
intro to say we must have a
sustained citizens, we must have
a sustained presence with the
four representatives of
government and to let them know
that we are aware and we expect
action, not just more words and
more planning and more planning.
Because the 21st century waits
for no one. Almost everywhere,
almost somewhere in this world,
every day, we hear about some
place that is on life support,
at least temporarily,
unfortunately. As a an intro to
this, September 29th, the
Pointe-Claire info letter lead
with you M Q. I hate acronyms. I
hate little abbreviations,
because they mean nothing. It
means the United municipalities
of Québec. I guess Mayor Thomas,
you are at that meeting when
there was a significant signing
of, we are going to work
together because biodiversity or
the lack of keeping our
biodiversity is killing us.
Those are my words. Now, as we
know with the U.N. and we know
with world leaders, carp, et
cetera, they get together year
after year and with great
proposals, but they don't move
it forward. So unfortunately
that is why I am here today and
while I don't know if that was
from -- or from Les narrow from,
some months ago, they don't
believe that any allowable of
government, municipal on up, can
get the job done, and that's why
they peddled their ideas, their
concerns. And at age 76, as I
said, in July was I'm not here
for myself and I'm sure there's
gonna be enough trees by the
time I depart but we have to
give youth a feeling of hope. We
have to let them breathe and not
these would Mères au front, they
talk about and know about the
anxiety of children, I've young
adults, mental issues. And they
are feeling that their future is
possibly quite hopeless. Maybe
it is, as some of us has
discussed, but as long as we are
on this earth we have to do what
we can to enable a livable, a
viable future until some and. I
so the first mention, so if as I
am asking, as I ask you in July,
when Mr. Cowan chaired the
evening, to please study what is
in front of you, find a few
adults in each of your ridings
who will contact me. You've got
my email, my phone number, who
will contact me to help us
engage your, our constituents, I
mean I've been speaking to a lot
of people. Some of them don't
know, even though they know
about Fairview shopping centre,
they don't know that the
Fairview forest is that very
green spot, thankfully, that's
still there, and quite frankly
they don't really know it's
significance and what it does.
And I feel that, as I said in
July, this is your legacy
mandate, whether you know it or
not. Please, you've got to get
out of the 20th century, the 19
80s. Greed is good, et cetera at
satirized. And you have to
embrace the 21st century. You
have to say goodbye to your
former alliances and we your
groupings. You have to think
ethically and individually each
day. To give hope to our youth.
So this package contains written
and graphic material to bring
awareness to each of your
constituents. I'm going to start
walking around walk. Last week
was the 150th week of save
Fairview forest. The troopers
with their banners and of course
their website, which is just
full of knowledge. And so I went
to, I guess, about 100 homes,
hanging things at that senior-y.
Mr. Tremblay, you weren't there,
you weren't able to be there,
unfortunately. And I guess I
used to be in direct
advertising, the poll the poll
was possibly 5%, which is
considered not too bad. So maybe
about 30 people showed up. And,
oh, one last thing, because I
know the list isn't long. To Ms.
Holman and Ms. Cullen, who
shouted out at me in July,
saying no you can't, maybe you
don't remember what you shouted
that out about, well, the answer
is, yes I can. I went to the
legal department, and yes, 90
minutes is afforded us. It
depends on the nature of what is
being presented. I do not call
myself a question period person.
I call myself, this is a citizen
period, I have made statements.
I will not ask you a question,
because hopefully you have been
listening, and so my question
is, what is your response? Now
usually there is no response.
This is my third time. And there
is never an adequate response.
But if anyone as you, and this
is the second time in a row that
I've asked each of you
councillors to tell me what are
you doing to bring awareness
about this very serious issue to
your constituents? Thank you.
[Applause]
>> And democracies you can't
clap. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Miss dullness. Is a
question you like me to answer
in there personally? Or would
you like me to answer a
question.
>> I don't know. What can you
do? A lot of people don't like
you. I like you.
>> I find more do then don't.
>> But maybe if you were -- I
think you do a lot more because
I think each one of you is first
and foremost a citizen of this
earth. --
>> Okay. I can answer. Does
anyone else? No, okay. My first
sort of response to your
presentation is that I wouldn't
call the future hopeless myself.
[Inaudible]
>> I firmly believe in Fell's
self fulfilling prophecy. You
have to be careful of the self
fulfilling prophecy. If you
think there is hope, there is
hope. If you don't, it doesn't
help you be an activist. You're
only an activist if you have
hope. So my last published line
was, without hope there can be
no solutions. So I wouldn't
advocate that it's hopeless. I
think it still isn't until we're
gone. So I would keep trying.
And a lot of us, in our own
ways, do keep trying. There is a
building freeze in the city of
Pointe-Claire which is a
positive initiative. There is a
CMM building freeze as well, and
a Pointe-Claire building freeze.
It's not as -- if
[Inaudible]
>> CMM. Municipality of
Montréal. Yes.
[Inaudible]
>> Two different things.
>> Yeah, yeah, to specify. My
point is that there are two
interim control measures on the
Fairview forest. It's not like
no one's done anything. There
has been some positive --
[Inaudible]
>> We all voted it in. So there
has been something done. There
has been something done. It's
not like hope is futile. Can
more be done? More can always be
done. To save the planet it is
all about positive initiatives
in our daily life. Everything we
contribute and do to make the
world a better place is what I
would encourage everybody to do.
[Inaudible]
About three months ago and no
longer going to --
>> Oh, the butterfly, the
milkweed. Okay.
>> And it all costs
[Inaudible]
25 years, 30 years.
>> And unfortunately saving
green space has a cost as well.
Governments have budgets. That's
a huge part of the problem.
>> It's not a problem. It's
worldwide
[Inaudible]
-- it's an economical way to
move forward.
>> Yes. In other words the
cheapest way of protecting the
environment is to not to --.
Okay. Thank you, Ms. Dumas. And
sorry for the mispronounced CA
shun of your name. Kurt Mueller?
>> Good evening, everyone.
Mister Mayor, councillors. At
one for seven --, Pointe-Claire,
and about a month ago I became
extremely concerned with the
level of traffic and the speed
of which the traffic is going on
or street. I took it upon myself
to call Claude Cousineau, and he
encouraged me to write an email
suggesting what the problem
statement wise. I see it as
being three fault. Effectively
the first concern is the level
of traffic on or street has
probably increased. I'm going
about this in a very qualitative
way, since I don't have the data
to support how much the numbers
have increased. But certainly to
my best estimation, the numbers
have increased by twofold to
threefold over the last 15
years. So in the morning, during
the rush hour, it's at the point
where we can hardly get out of
her driveways because it is
continuous traffic up and down
the street. You know where the
rush is, it has effectively
become a by street. I think what
is happening is people are no
longer using safe travels and
Beaconsfield, but they're coming
down -- street to beat the light
on St. Charles. My best
estimation is that about 95% of
the traffic in the morning is
not local. It's certainly just
uses A through point. Street.
The second concern we have, or I
have, is that for the most part
the speed exceeds the 40
kilometer number. The reason
that I say that is because about
a month ago the city of
Pointe-Claire put up a seed
monitor on our street so I sat
there one day and counted 100
cars because they wanted the
numbers to the significant. So
effectively I counted 100 cars
and I found that roughly 70% of
the cars were exceeding the
speed limit. The downside with
the monitoring system that you
put up is that it truncated at
45. 45 kilometres per hour. So
beyond 45 Pilar kilometres per
hour it just is too fast. So the
other major concern is because
this past summer I witnessed, I
personally witnessed several of
our small children that are out
in the street and our street is
becoming younger, which is
great. A lot of the older folks
are moving on. The newer
families are moving in with
young children. But the kids are
in danger, in my best
estimation. Two times the summer
I saw a very very close calls,
to the point where one kid was
rushed with a side mirror of an
automobile. So I think we really
seriously need a hard look at
this. I don't have the answers
but I am sure that Pointe-Claire
with or industrial engineering
department could positively come
up with something oh look at
something that would collect
data, both in a qualitative and
quantitative manner. Something
along those lines. But I think
the first step is to collect
data, understand the data, and
put preventative measures in
place to try and eliminate these
2 to 3 problem's. So in closing,
I'm asking the City of
Pointe-Claire to, if possible,
generate a pilot program and
then get back to the people of
dolorous with solutions as to
what the proposal went forward.
I'm not gonna discuss speed
bumps, because I know that's an
issue, but at what I would
strongly recommend is that you
come back with some form of
improvement, because someone is
going to get hurt. When it's
going to be at the expense of
citizens of Pointe-Claire. So
that's why I took it upon myself
to come today. I think it's very
important that we look at it,
now will continue talking with
Claude Cousineau on this matter,
but I would strongly recommend
some form of a pilot project
going forward to try and fix the
problem we are seeing. And that
is preach pretty much it for me.
>> Okay.
>> I was a volunteer in
Pointe-Claire for 30 years a
hockey coach. I do have 20
signatures from everyone on our
street supporting the movement
so I don't think who I would
don't know who I would give it
to. I will drop it off. And I
think Claude Cousineau as the
regional draft of the email I
sent out. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Curt Mullen, and
thank you for your volunteer
service as a hockey coach. I've
done it myself, and it's a
thankless task sometimes. I
don't know if you have
encountered Georgia but, Georgia
has been the advocate for --
Kurt, have you met Georgia yet?
[Inaudible]
About two days ago.
[Inaudible]
Two days ago I was introduced to
Georgia --
>> She has spoken to me and to
Erin Tedford, and -- quite
frequently. So it is known to
us. The street is known to. Us
they have done studies. The
people they have done studies
on, and they weren't demand
dramatically bad, of the times
they did them it's always a
tricky thing
[Inaudible]
>> There are not a lot of enough
police officers to survey the
streets, there may not be a
budget for up. What I will say
is that we have looked at it as
a city and the traffic committee
does look, and the street has
been looked at. As far as
solutions I would say that the
major problem here is that we
have too much traffic density.
So the major arteries you're
getting spill off four metre
major arteries. It's full of
four major arteries because they
are fall. And they are full
because we have an awful lot of
citizens for those major
arteries. So the solution is --
[Inaudible]
>> I hear you.
[Inaudible]
>> This is the future. Now we're
in the process of trying to
figure out how to do pedestrian
or bicycle overpasses and how to
get flow, citizen flow,
north-south over the 20 and 40
without it spilling over, right?
[Inaudible]
>> I'll tell you, it's, the
solution is multiple. It's not
just effort its money. You have
to expand. And first and
foremost, if you have
densification, too much
densification you have to have
infrastructure to accommodate
it. The way to do that is
increase for infrastructure,
erodes, and public transit.
Public transit is the key. I
would still argue that
north-south in Pointe-Claire, we
are still woefully inadequate.
We need more buses, we could
have a metro, we could do an
underpass. We still didn't have
the jack beside corridor, the
extra north-south that was
planned for -- there are
solutions out there but a lot of
the solutions are economic. So I
hear what you're saying.
[Inaudible]
>> We have to allocate the funds
to do it. We have to have the
funds to do it. And I would
argue that prior to densify in,
we should have an infrastructure
that can accommodate it. And we
should work absolutely on our
public transit and our major
arteries and make sure they can
accommodate citizens and public
transit.
>> Sir, I'm sorry, but I have
been advised --
>> People at home can't hear you
in the question whether
gentleman is saying. Come back
to the microphone, please?
>> Thank you, Danielle.
>> My pleasure.
>> I know you did, and I
apologize. I'm more guilty than
you are.
>> The last question was,
Dylan's question was that you
had for me?
>> Oh, good question. I gotta
remember what my last question
was. I basically was --
>> I guess my final statement
would be, I'm very concerned
with, I've been a hockey coach
for a long time, I see the kids
are playing road hockey and so
on on the street. They
shouldn't, but we like to see it
when they do that. And I'm very
concerned that someone's gonna
get hit because of the speed of
the vehicles on the street in
the frequency. It's very high.
So if there is something you can
do, we would fully appreciate
it. Again, I don't have the
answers. I will be you can help
us with that. I guess that's
where I will leave it. And thank
you again.
>> Thank you. Susan Weaver?
>> Mister Thomas, I understand
that Sotramont is suing you
personally for making false
statements about them. I also
understand that taxpayers are
required by law to pay the legal
fees for your defence at least
upfront. I was a witness to what
happened. I stand by my
statement of January 17th, 2023,
at the council meeting. My
description as to what occurred
in the parking lot. It seems to
me this whole thing could go
away, therefore saving the
citizens a lot of money if you
would simply do the right thing
and publicly apologize.
Remember, Mister Thomas, myself
and another person where they
are and saw what happened. Will
you do the right thing and
publicly apologize for the city?
>> If you want to see what
happened, I encourage you to
watch the webcasts of our
council meetings. There were a
couple of testimonies of what
happened by citizens were
involved. There were five
citizens. There were two
citizens and two councillors and
the mayor. I left the incident
right away. There was an
incident in the parking lot --
>> Excuse me, Mister Mayor?
>> Yes?
>> I don't think the village in
court, I don't think you -- can
>> You're probably right. It's a
good idea. You can find out on
the webcast. If you want to find
out what happened, I won't
describe it, and Councillor
Claude Cousineau is correct. I
would encourage you to watch the
various testimonies of people
who were there. And let me
correct the false statements.
They were allegedly false
statements. It's important to
say. And other than that, I try
to do my job and do the right
thing for the citizens of
Pointe-Claire. And I do what I
do and protect and save things
that I think are in the best
interest of the city of
Pointe-Claire. That's all I can
do, is try and do my job. So
thank you.
Can Lyons?
>> Good evening. At last council
meeting I brought up the issue
of the path between Camden and
lakeshore General Hospital do
you have anything to report?
>> Lots, actually. The bike path
that we share with Kirkland, I
believe?
>> Yes, we are in discussion
with the CP O of Kirkland to
repay the pathway so I don't
have an answer yet for Parkland,
but we are in discussions.
>> Surprising. I thank you. The
reason why is because yesterday
I turned to my former councillor
in Kirkland, John Morrison, and
John said that about 2005 he had
Bill McMurray come over to the
path and Bill said yes, it's
hours, it's Pointe-Claire. Now
the other thing that our, my
councillor told me is that,
well, Kirkland is going to take
care of, it and that's it. The
issue will go away. But I think
that something like that is not
really nailed down, and I hope
that a discussion between
Pointe-Claire and Kirkland will
be firmed up.
>> It will be.
>> Thank you.
>> There are positive
discussions, from what I
understand.
>> I have to make a remark. I'm
sorry I have to do that, but I
have been attending council
meetings since the early 1970s.
It's over 100 of them. I have
seen a lot of council meetings.
I have been mostly at Kirkland
for the last over 20 years,
nearly everyone. And I have
never seen such a dysfunctional
council as the meetings that go
on here. And I'm sorry to say
that. But we have a 90 minute
period. I was surprised to see
it that long. I never saw a
period that long. The other
thing is, they are not
controlled tightly. Having
people talk back and forth, at
length, there is no place for
that. If people have an issue,
they want to go on, talk on one
in one with the individual,
prepare your documents ahead of
time so that it can be cut
short, and invite you, that if I
talk more than five minutes, you
tell me, go and sit down, I will
not argue. Is that clear? So
please, when a meeting is going
on, keep it succinct and ask of
us, the citizens, to also be
succinct. You may not need a 90
minute council meeting because
of that. And when I am saying
succinct, it works both ways. So
seriously consider that. Thank
you.
>> Thank you. If I could
respond, Mister Ken Lyons, I
believe it is our job to hear
citizens out. I don't catch
citizens short. Very rarely do I
cut citizens short. And I think
it's really important that
people go home having head their
question, having felt that they
have fully explain themselves
and had the question answered.
And I endeavour to do so and I
don't think it's a fault. I
think the quality. Maybe I'm
doing it differently, but that
is my belief. I also would like
to point out that -- no, excuse
me sir. I would like to also
point out that 90 minutes is not
an inordinate amount of time.
Some councils pick up the
following day. I know some
cities that don't finish the
first meeting and will follow up
after that meeting. I have also
seen, in three municipalities,
one of them being -- Québec
where my mother lives, I've seen
council meetings that far exceed
hours. So I don't know who
you're comparing to but I see
lots of examples. I've witnessed
lots of examples, of the time
duration is much longer. I hear
what you are saying. There are
people that have that
interpretation. It's not mine.
>> Okay. Mister Mayor?
>> Yes?
>> Right off the bat, what
you're saying is that --
>> Are you debating or asking me
a question?
>> I'm not debating, I just want
to point something out. I
refused to debate. It's not a
forum for that. Is that I hear
you saying you want to hear the
citizens. Will you are not
hearing all the citizens.
There's a whole mess of people.
You have to show up at 6:30 if
you want to have a chance of
asking a question. Otherwise you
can't make it. So what about the
people that come here, who have
an issue, they can't bring it up
by themself? And that's it.
>> No problem. Solution? Longer
beating. There we go. Vanessa
McLeod or McKay? Sorry.
>> Hi. I'm Vanessa Mackay from
the Pointe-Claire daily. I am a
local, merchant, I own the point
clear deli. We met a few weeks
ago. I brought up concerns about
poutine festival that was
allowed to happen in the parking
lot in front of the two clauses,
during the -- village. And you
and I had a meeting as well as
Antonio? And your secretary, her
name was Julie was there as
well. During that meeting you
advised me that you had no idea
what was going on with the
poutine festival, that you had
not approved it, that you had
participated in a discussion
about it being held elsewhere,
months and months prior to that.
It has come to my knowledge
that's not the case. I have
emails from your office, right
up until the end of August, that
are discussed saying that he had
to be in the Valois village, and
at the time they were talking
about it even happening in
August. You asked me to email
you with description of the ways
that this was going to affect my
business. One of the other main
issues that I found was that V
application or the permit rather
had been given to the poutine
festival, but it was given to
them for Friday through Sunday,
so that would've been September
22nd through the 24th, I
believe. They were setting up in
our parking lot on the Monday.
They had dropped off big rigs
and we're already taking up the
parking lot on the Sunday. We
had notified city hall, myself
and other merchants, had
notified you guys on Monday that
this was going on. We had giant
trucks in the air kicking our
employees, kicking our customers
out of there, threatening to
call the police on us if we
didn't remove our cars. I myself
have my car cage into the
parking lot and had to go and
get some very large minute to
remove the caging so that I
could leave the parking lot. You
said to me personally that you
would never allow that festival
to go on at the expense of the
merchants that were in that
area. Use word to me that you
would do something, and that was
not the case either. I emailed
you and received no response. I
ended up closing my business for
a full week. This cost be
thousands and thousands of
dollars. It cost my employees
their paycheques for the week.
And I want to know what's going
to be done about that. I want to
know what kind of compensation
we can expect, and I want to
know why I wasn't even given the
respect of an email back, why I
was just left in the lurch, not
knowing what was going on.
>> Okay. The email, April guys,
I haven't seen. And I will ask
truly if it's there. She usually
flags that. If I missed an
email, I apologize. The reason
it wasn't stopped's was because
we had a council meeting in
decided that we wouldn't stop
the poutine festival. We had a
special meeting for it.
>> What was the date of the
meeting?
>> I can't remember.
>> The date of the meeting I
believe was on the Thursday.
>> The date that we met
afterwards, to decide? I will
let you know so a lot you know
there was a meeting and --
excuse me justify could continue
speaking here. So we did have a
meeting about that, after your
meeting. And we did decide to
continue to allow the poutine
festival to continue. But we did
indeed have a meeting to decide
that. So it's not like nothing
was done.
>> But there -- was
>> Excuse me, but as for being,
he's allowed one question and
then a subsequent question. When
we did meet, and I remember, you
didn't meet with me, I came down
because Julie was down there
with Tony. I came down to find
out what was going on, because
she's my administrative
assistant, and I didn't know why
she was doing that role because
it's not one that I would want
her to be put in. And what I
found intriguing wise that yes,
you are right, it was days in
advance of when they were
supposed to, which I found
shocking. There have been no
notification. This all came as a
complete surprise to me. As you
will recall, I am a merchant. I
was a merchant, Emma merchant,
and continue, well I'm not a
merchant now as mayor, but my
son has been running the store,
but I've been a merchant for 23
years. I completely agree. I
think that there is a mistake
often made when it comes to
special events. Everybody
believes that if you bring a lot
of people in, there's economic
spinoff. In fact, there often
isn't. And if you speak to David
Epstein and the Pointe-Claire
Village merchants association,
they used to always have special
events and I would show them my
books after a special event. I
told you this actually, in the
meeting. I would show my books
after the special event and I
would often lose money in
special events because when you
bring people in, not necessarily
economic spinoff. When it's a
mass consumption, when his mass
consumption event, at the
poutine fest or any other, when
you bring a lot of people in
it's not guaranteed that they're
gonna go into that store and
purchase something. That is
certainly been the case with me.
It has to be niche market. I
have done a couple of events
myself. In the village, the ones
that are niche market work. I do
the antique and country fair,
which I organized for five
years. Two of those solely.
Those head economic spinoff, but
that was directly related to my
product. But there were other
events were tons of people came
in there was no spin-off. So we
have to be very selective in
what we allow to come into our
commercial villages. They can't
just be mass events that bring
in lots of people. They have to
be events that we think will
have economic spinoff. And we
have to, as a city, we have to
really tighten up our special
events process to make sure that
in fact there is economic
spinoff and at the events we
choose our ones where there are
economic spinoff. I distinguish
two types, events in the evening
are fun events in our
necessarily don't impact as much
on merchants. In the day events
are different. We've had
successful events. We've had the
Pointe-Claire, the West Island
blues festival. We had strangers
in the night. We've had a few
that were successes. This one is
debatable. I've got to tell you,
even as of today, there are
merchants who quite liked it.
There are, I've had, I know,
it's amazing, and I was at an
event on Sunday, we could have
merchants had actually one of
the poutine fest to go to the
Pointe-Claire Village.
>> Pointe-Claire Village?
>> And I am astonished by this.
For me it's incredible sort of,
and the other thing when I met
with you that I found really
astonishing was that I asked you
what the merchants association
had said, had told to, regarding
that event. And you didn't know
that there was a Valois
merchants association. So here
we have emergencies ocean that
the merchants don't know about
that supposed to liaise with the
City. So there's a lot of
communication problems going on
here. The fact that the
merchants weren't alerted in
advance, I found quite shocking.
It's okay, as long as the
merchants are alerted in
advance, there's a lot to learn.
Here in this process. A lot of
cities. In fact I'm speaking
with my director general, and
95% of our events don't even get
to council. That's the normal
procedure.
>> And event this large?
>> Most events don't go to
Council. This is what I'm told.
So in a lot of other cities,
that is the case. So for me it's
--
>> Could you elaborate a bit
more? Large events like this
happen on a regular basis, and
none no you would know about? It
>> They know, but the
decision-making process doesn't
necessarily go to Council.
>> That's so strange. I'm pretty
sure, even if you want to have a
birthday party here you have to
notify every single neighbour.
>> No. No. No. A lot of events,
our departments are specialized,
and they're good. Usually
traffic circulation flow,
closing streets, all these kind
of things is handled by
professionals who do it for a
living. So they bring it to us.
They bring it to us afterwards.
You're right, if it's a huge
one, or something of some
sensitivity, it'll probably come
up. A lot of events go through
the procedure without getting to
Council. So there is a lot of
stuff that we have to learn
about.
>> Can I ask --
>> Can I finish?
>> I want to add something
specific.
>> There's a lot of stuff that
we can learn about special
events. We welcome to the same
conclusion, I mean regarding
poutine first coming back next
year. It's very interesting
proposition. We have, obviously,
we have to sit down and decide.
I think it should go through,
sort of decided preliminary
premonition preliminarily. A
percolates. Up there are events
that come, in percolate up,
Council gets to pick, or pick or
delineate the important ones, et
cetera. That's what we have to
start doing. The process, you're
right, we need tightening up in
the procedure. We're going to do
that.
>> Okay, but as far as the
compensation goes --
>> I can't speak to that yet.
That's not for me to decide.
>> But when we were speaking you
said to me specifically but you
would never ask a small
merchant, you would never allow
poutine first to happen at the
expense of any other merchants.
In fact, you said I don't care
if they sue me, correct?
>> Who said that?
>> I don't know if that's
correct.
>> I don't care if they sue me,
I would never allow poutine
pressed to go forward.
>> I wouldn't have said I don't
care if they sue me. What
>> Those were your words.
>> No, thank you, I'm sorry, you
may forget things, but I don't.
I do not forget a vegetable that
I approved four weeks later, and
I certainly don't forget
conversations that I had two
weeks ago. So I will let you
know that is exactly verbatim
what you said.
>> I would ask you to control
yourself at the microphone. But
I would like to tell you is, I
did not decide to have that
event. A mayor cannot decide on
an event. A mayor can't specify
--
>> These emails that I have here
are from your office, and I
would assume that you are
secretary, who speaks for you in
these emails, ccs you on these
emails, I would assume --
>> Not always. First of all. I
>> Have them all highlighted.
Here
>> Let me specify, ma'am, and
this is getting a little
lengthy. Let me specify --
>> Because you have it answered
--
>> And let me specify that a
mayor cannot decide on the
events. Slowly. A mayor is not
allowed solely to decide. No I
didn't, no I didn't.
>> No, really --
>> A mayor cannot decide on an
event --
>> So what you're saying is you
should probably get another
secretary because she is going
about business without informing
you have anything.
>> We have procedures. And we
carry on events, not every event
comes to, not even half come to
me.
>> This one. Did
>> It did. It came to Council.
And we actually discussed it.
Absolutely.
>> Council disgusted in May? And
which point it was supposed to
be in a different location. I
believe at one point somebody
mentioned Pointe-Claire, or
Valois village, and everyone
said no.
>> No, actually, it was just a
recount, it was positively
received. Just so you know, it
was raised in Council, and
positively received.
>> Mayor, I must answer to that.
It was not positively received
in Council because it was not
received in Council.
>> It was received in Council,
and suggestion was made in
Council by councillors to have
it invalid.
>> Not Councillors who happen to
be sitting here now? Anyone want
to speak up and say you were
aware it was going to be in
Valois village?
>> It really doesn't matter.
What matters is that when there
is something, an organization
that occurs, it's the Mayor's
responsible for it to run
successfully. We're getting off
the track. Personally, I don't
recall Council ever making a
decision to have the Putin
festival take place at all. But
again, maybe it doesn't matter.
The decision obviously was made
somehow, because it occurred but
once it occurs it should run
successfully. It did not run
successfully, and ultimately the
buck stops there.
>> Yeah and I also would like to
know because I do have a copy --
>> Excuse me, Miss McKay, Miss
MacKay, Miss Mackay, you have
had about four or five. There
won't be a follow-up
>> Actually no, I --
>> Miss McKay,
>> I would like to know why --
>> Miss MacKay, Miss Mackay, I'm
gonna have to ask you
>> They were sitting up on the
19th --
>> I'm gonna ask you to stop,
Miss Mackay.
>> No. I would like -- I would
like actual answers.
>> You've had four followups.
You've had answers. Let me at
the same time remind
councillors, one Eric Stork and
Brent Cowan, and you have to
address the mayor before you get
to speak. Those are the rules of
these meetings. Thank you Miss
MacKay. Now, I would like Daniel
Mont petite, please. Mr. Ma
petite?
>> Miss Mackay we are finished.
>> I would like an answer to my
-- question
>> You've had. It
>> In fact, my son, and one of
my employees would also like an
answer to that question. How do
you personally plan on
compensating as for the
thousands of dollars we've lost?
>> I can't answer you. It's not
my poor decision.
>> Your inability or ability? To
provide information.
>> Tony?
>> Thank you.
>> Can I get my T first?
>> Thank you, Miss Mackay.
Monsieur mom pretty?
- Bonsoir, Monsieur le Maire.
Bonsoir, conseiller,
conseillère. Félicitations pour
la job, Gilles! Faire...
parfait, mon ami. Bien content.
Ce soir, j'ai écrit un papier,
c'est rare. D'habitude,
(inaudible)
ce, soir je serai plus
Gentil. Il faut que je mette une
paire de lunettes. Bon. Bonjour.
Mon nom est Daniel Montpetit. Je
fais du bénévolat régulièrement
pour lasse ça
(---)
scions. Une organisation à but
non lucratif venant en aide aux
enfants handicapés de toutes
sortes à Pointe-Claire, depuis
environ 15 ans. En fin de
semaine passée, l'association
Wyatt a tenu un événement pour
son 65e anniversaire dans le
village. Au début de l'été, on a
fait une demande à la Ville pour
fermer l'avenue
(---)
entre Valois et Prince Édouard.
La réponse fut un non
catégorique. Non! Après avoir
parlé à plusieurs personnes
ainsi que Kelly fort Stone, qui
n'est pas ici ce soir, qu'on
remercie, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen
plutôt pardon, ainsi que le
maire, on le remercie, il aurait
été avisés qu'il a consacré
beaucoup d'efforts... de
remercier. Je me suis perdu. Que
nous remercions aussi. Il semble
que ça ait été très compliqué
d'obtenir l'autorisation.
Pourquoi? À la journée du
village, tenue le 26 ou pour le
Festival blouse tenus au début
de septembre dans l'autre
village, la sécurité biblique à
barré l'accès au village et ont
installé toutes sortes de
procédures pour obtenir la
sécurité, donc des barricades en
ciment, en bois, la sécurité
publique pardon. Même dans le
temps, on avait dit
(---)
on s'en sert pas du tout
aujourd'hui, je sais pas
pourquoi on a acheté, ça ça vaut
des milliers de dollars! Ils
sont stationnés dans des boîtes
de bois, on s'en sert pas. Pour
l'événement, rien. La sécurité
des citoyens du village de
Pointe-Claire va-t-elle plus que
celle de Valois? À
Pointe-Claire, les citoyens
sont-ils plus protégés que ceux
de Valois? Il a-t-il une raison
pourquoi vous le faites dans le
village de Pointe-Claire et non
à Valois? Une chance qu'on a eu
la chance d'avoir
(---)
pour venir barrer et pour, nous
nous donner un coup de main pour
assurer la sécurité. Merci à eux
aussi. Pourquoi on accepte les
Fêtes et on ferme les rues dans
le village de Pointe-Claire et
non la veille pour... pour le
village de Valois. Un virage a
de l'importance et l'autre n'en
a pas? Qui prend la décision de
barrer les rues ou pas et
décider si on peut avoir un
événement? Ça vient de la
décision de qui, ça? C'est les
réponses qu'on veut avoir, s'il
vous plaît.
- Bonne question, monsieur
Montpetit. Vous montrer que le
problème... le même problème que
madame. On est... la décision,
le processus pour décider des
événements, si on va se...
fermer la rue, les barrières,
tout ça, ce n'est pas le conseil
qui décide ça.
- C'est qui?
- Bien, c'est un département
responsable. Il y a des gens qui
sont responsables pour les
événements...
- Est-ce que c'est un secret
(inaudible)
?
- Madame, qui était responsable
pour les événements qui décide
la plupart des décisions...
- Pour barrer les rues?
- Oui!
- Pour barrer les, Russes et pas
une décision seulement de la
ville. Il faut une autorisation
des services d'incendie,
services policiers, services
ambulanciers, la STM. C'est un
peu plus compliqué que juste
décidé de barrer une rue plutôt.
À la fin, c'est le département
de l'inspection et sécurité
publique qui va, à la fin,
accepter ou non.
- Ce que je ne comprends pas,
vous allez... on va se coucher
tard ce soir.
- On se couchera tard, monsieur
pont petit! Pas de problème avec
ça.
- Vous pouvez faire ça pour le
village de Pointe-Claire dans le
village
(inaudible)
et quand ça concerne Valois,
c'est quoi le problème?
- Ça dépend, comme je vous dis,
toujours des autorisations qu'on
est capable d'avoir. Je sais que
dans le village Valois, on a des
fois de la difficulté avec la
STM au niveau du... mais je vous
dis la vérité, monsieur
Montpetit! Vous n'aimait pas ma
réponse, vous avez le droit.
- Vous jouer du violon! J'ai
travaillé 33 ans pour la Ville
de Pointe-Claire. On creuse des
tranchées, on fait dévier le
trafic comme on veut, comme...
quand on veut, avec la sécurité
publique, tout ça. Et un party
qu'on organise des mois et des
mois d'avance, c'est compliqué.
Wow! Je vous dis une affaire...,
moi ma femme, elle a une petite
fille handicapée, c'est ma
petite-fille avoir... à moi. Et
je vous dis, vraiment, vous avez
fait très dur parce que, moi
j'ai dit... comment? Ça j'ai
dit, je ne me gêne pas, que
c'est des imbéciles de pas faire
la même chose que dans le
village de Pointe-Claire. C'est
un inconcevable que vous fassiez
ça pour un festival, pour, c'est
pour ça, pour les marchands,
tout, et pourtant, le village de
Valois, on n'est pas des
imbéciles! Je reste là,
maintenant. Mais il faut se
battre pour avoir quelque chose,
fermer une rue pour 4 heures.
Pas une soirée et une journée
complète. 4 heures, et on se
fait dire ça. C'est vraiment
aberrant, je trouve. Surtout
pour une association qui
travaille et qui aident nos
enfants de toutes sortes de
handicaps, que ce soit qu'est-ce
qu'on voudra, et vous nous
mettez des bâtons dans les
roues. C'est ça que c'est. Je ne
comprends pas du tout. Pas
pantoute, pas du tout. C'est
vraiment mal fait, votre
affaire. Je vous remercie.
- En défense, monsieur
Montpetit...
- Il y en a, pas de défense!
- C'est vrai, je comprends.
(inaudible)
- D'accord. Geneviève Lussier?
- Félicitations, Monsieur
Girouard.
>> I was wanting to get a quick
clarification. I have two very
good questions. I was hoping to
get a quick clarification on the
new planning consultation. Is it
also about green spaces? It
talks about resilience or is
that going to be separate --
>> Good question.
>> It's about the green spaces,
it will be part of that public
consultation.
>> Okay. I think maybe that
could be a little bit more
explicit in the -- maybe that's
on purpose. But anyway. Okay, my
first question is about the
public consultations. I'm
curious as to how much weight
the consultations have. Citizens
input, how much weight that has
in the final outcome of the
urban planning.
>> Hopefully a lot. That is the
reason we are doing. It for the
citizens to have input. It is my
sincere hope that we will take
that input and use it as a
fundamental guide to what the
outcome will be. That is my
utmost desire of that process.
>> I feel like that criteria
should be already defined.
>> Okay. Is it defined? Defined,
Miss Verdun?
>> That's what I'm wondering.
>> At the, end it's the city
council's decision about urban
planning.
>> But is it defined that how
the results will be interpreted,
how the results of citizen
consultation will be interpreted
and what power they have? And we
have that already -- do we have
that decided?
>> All the resorts are present
-- present to the City Council
each time we met with the urban
plan. After that, you know, the
citizen will have to input in
the real public consultation
bylaw during the adoption of
urban planning.
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un poids sera mis... d'accord,
parfait, merci. My next question
is about the REM and the City.
PQ another Pointe-Claire station
right now does not have any
parking plant. That has been
discussed as being an issue. I
don't know if it is being
discussed behind closed door.
The CDPQ is also very
tightlipped about what they are
doing. But given the fact that
there are two freezes on the
forest right now, and the
potential that there is
discussion about parking lots,
and let's hope that we are not
going to become a Johnny
Mitchell song here, but given
that there is two freezes on the
forest, and given that they are
potentially needs parking for
the station, we would be
possible for citizens and the
city to work together and speak
to the CDPQ or have a united
voice about making sure we don't
put parking, pay one of the last
green spaces in that area,
actually the only last green
space in that area, and keep the
parking lot on something that is
already paved. If there is a way
to unite our voices for that,
that would be amazing. It's hard
to get information out of the
CDPQ, but if there is
discussions happening right, now
maybe we should be part of those
discussions, or at least have a
voice as the city of
Pointe-Claire saying there is a
freeze, it's a CMM freeze, we
don't think the parking lot
should go there.
>> It's an excellent suggestion.
There has been some discussion,
you are right. They have been
secretive. All the REM process
it is an interesting process to
try to get a hold of information
of. Ultimately, REM, and they do
have the ultimate decision,
regardless of anything. But yes,
there wouldn't be any harm in
renewing discussion with the
City cute. Est-ce qu'on peut
arranger une réunion, pour
suggérer cela? On peut en faire
Une. C'est une très bonne idée.
Certainly.
>> What would happen with the
REM de last? La voix des
résidents, c'est important, et
ça a affecté la finalité du
projet. I feel like if the City
wants to have an impact we can
have that impact. But we need to
do at United. Anyway. I think
there is a lot of residents that
would help you have that -- if
you wanted it.
>> Thank you for. That and it is
a concern. It is a concern,
because there is inadequate
parking. We sure don't want that
parking. It would be preferable
for it not to go where we think
--
>> Yeah. There is like a sea of
asphalt everywhere, but we will
pave the last green space. That
makes absolutely no sense.
>> It doesn't to me.
>> The environmental project. It
makes no sense.
>> I agree with you.
>> Okay, thanks.
>> No, no, you have to go to the
microphone.
[Inaudible]
Well --
>> I don't care.
>> CDPQ, cares -- Caisses de
dépôt et de placement du Québec.
>> Okay.
[Inaudible]
Joan dire?
>> Back again this month because
last month to my vehement
objections you unanimously voted
to approve highly disruptive
plants to 220 lakeshore road. It
was built by -- in 1994. These
plans will hugely increase the
volume of the original house and
it's lot coverage, and will
alter the streetscape of the one
remaining block east of the
village that's been undisturbed
for 100 years. I think that's
important. This one block
between Karen E and bowling
green where the houses -- there
is a rhythm to this particular
block, you don't get anywhere
else because they've both been
disturbed. There are old houses
and newer houses. There are
mongrel blocks. But this block
is an authentic, undisturbed
block. This whole business is
going to infringe on my privacy
and my piece. I was, to put it
mildly, taken aback last month
when Councillor Cowan accepted
the project for 220 Lakeshore up
for approval that night was a
better plan than the original
one presented in March 2021. But
I had no idea that such a plan
had come up for consideration
two and a half years ago. I had
no idea that there was such a
plan for discussion, because
since that plan was wholly
complied with by the zoning
bylaw, no minor exemptions were
being sought at that time, and
therefore I had not been
officially notified back in
2021. So I went home and called
up the minutes and video of the
March 21, 2021 meeting to
discover that is supposedly
inferior 2021 plan, as accepted
by Councillor Cowan, had in fact
been approved with conditions
and suggestions by a split
decision. Thanks to the casting
vote of Mayor Belvedere. And
that vote was actually a
pantomime. There was no
discussion. The resolution to
approve this was moved by
Councillor Bissonnette and
seconded by Councillor Stork.
And then the votes were split
with for voting for and four
against. -- he couldn't second
the motion. He was replaced by
Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.
Belvedere was already moving on
to the next item on the agenda
when he woke up to the fact that
it was a split decision,
whereupon he then had to move
back, cast as vote, and the
motion was duly approved. The
question is this. This plan was
approved two and a half years
ago. Why are we talking about a
new plan now? So why are we here
are two and a half years later
considering a unanimously
approving this time a different
and much more disruptive plan
that requires minor exemptions?
The dissenting Councillors who
voted against what was being
proposed in 2021 where
councillors Stainforth, Stork,
coward, and casino. Can I ask
them to please explain how in
their view a project that --
coach and horses through the
bylaw, no longer conforms to the
zoning bylaw, and now requires
minor exemptions is better than
in earlier one with no
exemptions and conforms to the
bylaw? To my mind, this doesn't
say much for your opinion of the
validity of the zoning and state
bylaws which underpinned urban
planning in the city. I would be
interested to hear from the
dissenting councillors why
they've changed their minds, and
why this plan was presented last
month is better than the one
from two and a half years ago?
>> Absolutely.
>> When this first came up two
and a half years ago, I brought
it to the attention of the --
which you are on the executive.
That association did not come to
our aid, the dissenting
councillors. And we lost that
vote. I am not going to -- I
don't remember the details of
that comparison today, but I'm
prepared, if you want, if you
address me later, I will go back
and pull out the file and study
it. I will explain the vote.
>> But I, mean you asserted last
month that that was better.
>> That was last month. A lot
has happened since last month. I
have to go back and look and see
what I was talking about. I
don't remember, you studied it.
>> Right. Does anybody else --
can anybody else tell me why
they changed their vote, why
they are voting for this time
and then vote for a two and a
half years ago?
>> Exactly the same reason as
Councillor Cowan. Upon review of
this project, this --
>> A much better fit? You have
to be joking. Right, okay. At
last month's meeting, Mr. Cowan
also volunteer the information
that the opinion of the Heritage
Association was sought in vain
back in March 2021. There they
go again tonight. And indeed,
the opinion of the society was
sought simply for the form of
it, very much as an
afterthought, without adequate
time to respond, especially in
the circumstances at the time,
which was COVID lockdown and a
curfew. Reconstructing the
timeline from the minutes, the
plans for 220 were out for
consideration at the February
the 8th meeting of the pact, and
in most unusual, very odd, a
subsequent special meeting of
the pack system on 220 lakeshore
was convened for March the 4th.
The following weeks, council
meeting March the 9th. When was
the society approached for its
input? An email was sent from
the City to the society at 1:00,
one PM on Tuesday, March the
3rd, asking for its opinion with
the deadline of the following
Monday for its response. The
pact was due to hold its special
meeting the next day. The S S B
C C could not have any input in
the pack recommendation to
Council. Any opinion produced by
it, by the Monday deadline,
would only be circulated to
councillors at the last minute,
ahead of the four PM Tuesday
council meeting. This was in
full COVID lockdown when curfew
was in place and meetings were
being held virtually at four PM
with just the Mayor, the
director general, and the clerk
in the room, here, and the
councillors all on Zoom. Clearly
involving the society at that
stage was a complete
afterthought, simply for the
form of the thing. The plans had
been submitted to the city at
the end of January, for a
February meeting. This is Heidi
was only approached in March
with less than a week to
respond. As it happens, the
society was between boards at
the time, because it had not yet
met since the ATM to conserve
the new executive. Whenever it
was that the incoming president
actually access the city's
email, it was sent at lunchtime
on the Tuesday, but we all have,
lives we have lives, goodness
knows when they actually saw the
email. He decided to take no
action in such short notice,
since it could have no influence
on the result. Adding insult to
injury, the society's opinion
had recently been sought in the
case of 198 Lakeshore and 61
King, and considerable time and
effort have been invested in
producing solid -- to know
avail. You might as well not
bother. The developer got his
way and the demolition permit
both times. This raises the
question of the city's
relationship with the heritage
association. The S S PPC is a
volunteer organization. The
numbers have lives and jobs and
jump to it when this 80 calls
calling in short notice. Except
in this particular instance I
believe it always has done so
free, gravitas, and for nothing.
Such's its commitment to
preserving Pointe-Claire's ever
dwindling heritage. The City
clearly feels entitles -- when
it deems appropriate, offers no
support to the heritage
association. This raises a
thorny question of the city's
attitude and commitment to
heritage and its relationship
with the association.
>> Mrs. drier.
>> Why does the city not have a
heritage employee? And given the
extent of the heritage employer
in Pointe-Claire, you think
there would be an employee on
staff, or also tentatively an
open contract with the heritage
organization to seek its input
when necessary. That would cost
money. The -- is expected to
fill this role at will and for
free which it does in good faith
out of concern for the public
good, but there is no quid pro
quo, Council -- any assistance
or make promises available that
would allow the SSPCC to
function more efficiently and
effectively. The question is,
since the association is
expected to partner with the
City and cooperate with it at
will, as you can, see Mr. Cowan
expects that, when will the city
return the favour and start
cooperating with the heritage
association and treat it as a
valued partner instead of an
enemy? Particularly in the
matter of the agreement over the
mill. That is my question. And
follow-up.
>> That's one heck of a
question. I concur with much of
what you've said.
>> All of it, surely.
>> I have to go back and review
the question. What I concur
with, I have to be very careful
with what I concur with.
However, your sentiments
resonate powerfully with me. One
of my goals as mayor is to have
heritage play a greater role in
our decision-making process,
especially are packed committees
and our urban planning. I'm a
firm believer in it. I would
love to have a greater. Roll and
I do sense not a happy
relationship between the
administration and
Pointe-Claire's heritage
society. I recall -- I've known
a few of the presidents over the
years. Claude Arseneault being
the most flamboyant. He used to
always put a booth out on Canada
Day and promote the society at
candidate day. I remember one
year in the last administration
he was not allowed to do, so
which was an unfortunate turn of
events. About -- the city and
the heritage society. I really
would love to repair it. I would
love to, and I agree with what
you are saying.
>> We need some premises, first
and foremost, so that we can get
all the files out of storage and
set up shop.
>> You need a place to locate
your office. There are a lot of
groups, unfortunately, in the
same situation. Therein lies the
problem. Our amount of office
space vis-à-vis all the groups
that won it, and we were talking
about that in fact tonight. But
yes, heritage is certainly
prominence in that list of
organizations that need places
to set up. I think in a lot of
cities they have their own
offices, even in City Hall. It
is surprising to me that it
plays such a small role in the
administration in Pointe-Claire.
I love heritage to have a much
more prominent role.
>> Obviously, the problem lies
in the fact that the heritage
association is always speaking
truth to power, the power
residing with the City. The City
having very little care for its
heritage. In particular the mill
and the pioneer, et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera. All these
houses that have been allowed to
be demolished. Now this one is
going to be changed out of all
recognition. We can't help but
advocate and point this out. And
has not been welcomed. It is as
simple as that.
>> Thank you, Miss wire.
>> Are we going to see some
progress?
>> I hope so. I certainly want
some.
>> The question is, as my mother
would've, said live -- that was
a Scottish expression.
>> Thank you. Ron Rosen? Miss
Madame Thibault... Thibault, how
much time is left?
>> 19 minutes left.
>> 19? Okay. We should make it
through the list. Just to point
out to the gentleman earlier
that we will actually allow
everyone to speak.
>> This is strictly a water tax
issue.
>> Okay, okay.
>> Something I'd like to get
some help on. Very simple, I
promise you two minutes, that's
it. I've been in Pointe-Claire
since 1991. I've had water tax
bills of about 200 bucks a
month. The last couple of years
before have been in the 300
dollar range. This year, $800.
Yeah. I quickly called the City
thinking something must be wrong
with a metre, because we are
less people in the house, we
don't have a pool, we don't have
a hot, that we don't have
anything leaking, there is no
flooding around. I asked what
to, do they were very quick to,
response when we had to check
the water metre, out to do so --
serious calisthenics to take
pictures of the water metre
which is buried in the laundry
room. Sadly for me, the water
metre is working perfectly. So
we went scrambling around, my
wife and, I try to find where is
the lead. We see no water
anywhere. Nothing is around.
Finally we go and into the
unfinished part of the basement,
which we rarely go to at all.
And we found this little
trickling sound. We heard it. My
wife, smarter than me for sure,
says turn off the toilet
upstairs. That was it.
Ironically, our low water
toilet, which we've got to save
water, and it up costing me like
800 bucks here.
>> The previous, bill the total
was 800. The previous bill was,
two or three? So it's $500.
>> $500, fantastic, which is now
my lot, I have a picture of, it
it's been taken out and removed
quickly. The city told me it's
not really much we can do about.
It it is water that is used,
even though it wasn't used
through personal use or anything
like, that they suggest I speak
to my Councillor person, Mr.
Cowan suggested I come here and
plead my case. Obviously the
water is used, it's run through.
I'm hoping the City can do
something about the bill.
>> What is the address?
>> 295 St. Louis. I pay the
first part of it, which is
already 100 more than I would
usually pain a year. I hope
hoping to get something reduced,
I don't know if it's possible or
not. From what I understand for
Mr. Cowan, the waters from the
City of Montréal, they strictly
belief or usage, and you build
back the citizens. I have
another suggestion on something
else.
>> I will just turn it over to
Miss Verdun. Do you have
anything to add to this
gentleman's dilemma as far as
procedurally what we can do
about it -- his toilet lead?
What is our standard operating
procedure on something like
this?
>> It's impossible for us to
know anything was going on with
this, obviously.
>> We already spoke with in
caucus all that issue. For the
size of the -- all citizens have
to pay for the water they
consume. We will have to have
that discussion again with the
caucus.
>> Isn't there standard
operating procedures?
>> All the citizens pay for --
unfortunately for you -- for the
water that they consume. We have
a presentation in two weeks
regarding that.
>> Because I don't think that's
ultimately a caucus decision on
how to deal with -- how we
normally deal with the water
from toilets. I would assume
that the professionals who deal
with water taxes are the ones
who survey and decide on the
amounts and who pays. The water
taxes.
>> It's on water consumption.
You all have metres in your
basement. In the basement, with
the metres. All citizen have to
pay for the consumption of the
water that they use. Each year,
we bring up before that time all
the water consumption in the
city. The administration cannot
do any credit on citizens. It's
not something that we can do.
>> Mr. Cousineau? You want to
speak?
>> Right off the top of my head,
I know that you can finance it
without interest. It doesn't
help you right now.
>> It's not an issue of paying
the bill. It's just a question
of logic over here, we are
obviously was not water that was
used for any purpose. I did not
take a six month shower.
[Inaudible]
The lady is telling me to pay
the bill. Can you take some of
that money for the second part
of the bill?
>> Your subsequent question?
>> I can see that's not going to
get anywhere right now. There is
a cross walk at back Park on Del
Mar Street. And that is in bad
need of some lights on St.
Louis. You put up a light system
where anybody can push a button.
There is flashing lights, really
alerts the cars as to what is
going on. It's a fairly dark
area across that park,
especially at night. It is super
dangerous. I've gone so many
times walking with my dog,
daily, multiple times a day.
People don't stop. It's not like
Toronto. Toronto, you step off
the sidewalk and people actually
stop at crosswalks. Here, no. I
would say eight out of ten just
keep going right through. So if
something could be done with,
that that same system could be
added, there that would be
great. Cars were definitely
noticed, you it would be a lot
safer.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.
>> All right.
>> Mr. L daddy?
>> Good evening. --
>> I can't hear you.
>> I have to put in my mouth.
>> Stay closer, yes.
>> Okay. I'm talking about a
traffic jam which is every day
going on there. It was on the
condo and the increasing
population. And you have any
plan to try to save this trouble
for us? Because I have
experience to try to get the
transportation to go -- I'm
talking about Saint-Jean from
north to south, south the north.
I try to get transportation from
Saint-Jean and Hymus to go all
the way to Pierrefonds, where
there is a profit go. The bus I
take one hour and ten minute to
go around the city before we go
to Pierrefonds. And if I walk
it's going to take me about one
hour. If I take a bike and I did
all that to come here to tell
you exactly, if I take a bike, I
take the bike already, and I
walk, it took me one hour. I
took the bike. It takes me about
maximum between 20 to 25
minutes. Even if I stop in every
corner, every stop sign, and
every traffic, taking about 20,
25 minutes. So what the City
Plante --
>> Excuse me. Gentlemen, in the
back, thank you. Go ahead, sir.
>> Why you don't try to do like
-- for the bike. I have to write
the bike from the sidewalk, it
is very dangerous to drive it in
Saint-Jean. If you are already
there, you slow the traffic and
it's not really helpful for
everybody. Does the city have
any plan to help -- the lady was
talking about the environment.
To help people and encourage
people to go with a bike from
north to south or south to
north? The sidewalk, you can't
write it, or the middle you can
have a bike, the middle line
between the two roads, you can
add the bike. Do you have any
plans for the?
>> There is a plant. There is a
planned bicycle pedestrian
overpass to get over the 40.
There is one in the works
potentially, but we will see.
>> But when is that here?
>> Pardon me?
>> When is it going to be?
>> Soon. I think in a year.
2026, Councillor, just
confirmed. Not far, it is still
2026. There is one in the works.
But there should be more. I
agree with you. North-south, I
think I would love to extend the
corridor. They built the REM to,
low so it makes it really hard
to build an overpass there,
which would've been great.
Instead, we have to rely on a
tunnel if we want to extend the
corridor, which would've been
the natural one. Yes, you're
right. It is a real problem,
public transit crisis in
Pointe-Claire. Absolutely.
North-south is our problem and
getting over the 40 in the 20 is
not an easy thing. And to take a
bicycle, I'm a cyclist, and
going, you are right, going
north, I wouldn't write on
Saint-Jean myself. I just
wouldn't do it. And it is an
issue. But even taking a car to
go to Pierrefonds takes you
longer to drive to Pierrefonds
than it does to drive to
downtown Montréal, which is a
real problem. It will be a
problem getting to the REM. It's
a real issue getting to the REM.
It's in many ways faster to go
to your car to go downtown and
take the old CPR route to go to
the REM. It is a real problem
and it's one that I am well
aware of. It has to be resolved
somehow going forward.
Unfortunately, it is an
expensive problem to solve. But
you are 100 percent right.
>> I hope very soon. I did it --
I'm telling you my experience.
The second question, for two
years you have the freeze. What
is the plan after that?
>> The what for two years?
>> The freezing for all the
condo and high-rise building.
Did you have any plans to
convince this developer, or
encourage him to go in the
single house for the family and
next generation? And also for
the citizen living with their
parents waiting to have the
right house. Any plan for that
to help that exists?
>> In our current levels and
needs of densification, single
family homes are going to be
hard to come by. That is for
sure. The use of development
space, that is a challenge. What
I can tell you is that we are in
the process of coming up with an
urban plan. We've all talked
about this. We would like it to
go more quickly than it is, all
of us, I think, I would like the
consultation process to be
accelerated. I don't find it
moves quite quickly enough to
resolve or come up with what the
systems would like as an urban
planner. What the end result
would be would be helpful and
the quicker the better. You're
absolutely right on that.
>> I would encourage the
developer to go for the single
housing, really.
>> That is your interpretation.
We are doing a consultation.
There will be a consultation
that will have some influence on
what happens. Not your opinion,
sir, with all due respect. We
have to listen to whatever --
what a lot of the results will
be and go according. I'm hoping
that the citizen consultation
will help us in devising and
urban plan that will lead to the
liking of the popular citizens.
>> The city councillor goes
ahead and convince them to be a
leader on this, to help them and
encourage them to go from the
citizen. And for the
environment, we thank you for
thank you. Yes, you don't care
about the environment. Us, we
care about the environment
because we have kids. We already
care for city -- we are looking
at -- they brought you a chair
in the primary school to remind
you of the environment. My kids
all graduate from the school. So
I thank, you Mister Mayor, for
take care of the environment.
And I hope we all care about.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Thank you, everybody. I wish you
all the well.
>> Thank you. Lynn Conway?
>> Good evening. A gentleman
earlier this evening spoke about
his street, Larouche. Whatever
you plan or decide for that
street, I think you can also
plan the same thing for my
street. Because it is the same
exact thing. We get this bill
off from St. John's. It is going
to be a construction deal with a
mass that dealership. And the
street cannot be widened
anymore. Those streets that were
built during the horse and buggy
days. That's why the streets are
narrow and it is just too much
traffic on the streets. Whatever
you plan for that, street you
can also plan for this street.
Please.
>> Is that your question?
>> Keep that in mind, yes.
>> I'm astonished whenever I
drive on May with. I usually
have to pull in behind a parked
car to allow the other car to go
by before I go out. I do it all
the time.
>> You can't have two cars
meeting.
>> Absolutely. Your point is way
well taken. How about posters
that's a local traffic only? Use
it as a's bill off to come to
the city.
>> We have an excellent traffic
committee. No idea is --
>> Posters for traffic only.
>> Okay.
>> Sounds good?
>> I live on Cartier. You should
try that. It's really
interesting. We had to teach it
-- you are raising a point
earlier, we would have to tell
our children, make sure you make
eye contact when your crossing.
Make sure you make eye contact.
I have seen four, five people
get hit, put up on the hood, but
not actually knocked down, but
drivers actually taking people
across. It's unbelievable.
>> What is even different from
delay Roe Street is people don't
even try to play street hockey.
And also because of the schools
that are around on Douglas -- a
lot of kids don't qualify for
the bus so the bus is like one
point something kilometers, in
the radius of that distance. So
a lot of the students use
Maywood in the morning and
evening. All the kids walking on
that street. So just a question.
>> Everybody that leaves the
arena.
>> Excuse, me ma'am.
>> The coffee a Tim Hortons.
>> Point taken. Point taken,
thank you.
>> And also for the the meeting
for the October 25, the
Planning, program which -- I
tend as much as I can. People
have to register as soon as
possible. There is a deadline to
apply, but actually people have
to apply a soon as possible,
because all the spots Philip. It
is limited. In the past, it has
been limited. When the spots
Philip, then you don't have
access to go. Just a reminder
for everybody.
>> Okay thank you. Thank you.
Merci, Madame. Okay. O.K.!
>> There's another gentlemen,
yes.
>> I don't have him on my list.
>> Mr. John Corvette.
>> It's not on my list. Sorry,
sir.
>> Good evening. Three strikes
and you are out. I'm here for
traffic to. I live on Chester
Avenue.
>> Closer to the microphone,
sir.
>> Sorry. I live on Chester
Avenue, two houses up from the
first circle. I don't know if
you are aware that about three
weeks ago there was a young lad
on Chester that was run over on
both legs. He's got pins in his
legs now. We moved in there in
1980. Every entrance into the
circle, there was a stop sign.
People didn't stop. They did the
American stock. Now that we've
got all those apartment
buildings there, people are not
using sources. And they are
cutting in and coming down
Chester. I just had my driveway
cleaned all up yesterday. The
guy that was driving the things
said, my God, the traffic here
is unbelievable. And they don't
stop and they go fast. He says,
I'm backing out with my big
truck, and I've got to have a
swivel on my head. Something's
got to be done. If they will
build another apartment building
where the post office is, and
another one where the Kentucky
fried chicken was on cardinal in
Dorval, that is just adding more
and more traffic. So I would
like to seek some speed bumps
for the entrances for all those
two speed -- or two circles.
Because somebody is going to be
killed. I hate to say, it could
be an older kid like me. I'm 84.
There is one of my neighbours.
She can vouch for it. If we
can't have speed bumps, I would
like you to go on the street
that runs -- what is the name of
the street? Excuse me. Because
Mount Pleasant feeds a lot of
people, or cars in there. There
is a number of houses on the
corners where you have to go out
on to mount pleasant to see the
cars coming. I don't know how
many times. I know one day I was
going along Mount Pleasant and I
was turning on Queen's. The
person on bicycle decided to
cross, cut across and ran right
into my truck. Something's got
to be done. Your city should
turn around and go and check
from Dalloway right down to the
circles and make sure that these
people have cut back on their
shrubs, so it makes it easier
for people to see. Can I get
some kind of a thing from you to
say you will look at it?
>> Yeah.
>> What about speed bumps?
>> Speed bumps, that is an
interesting debate. We don't
have them in Pointe-Claire.
There has been --
>> You do.
>> Oh, we do?
>> Where do we have them?
>> When is the last time that
you look at the employees
parking lot. You have speed
bumps there.
>> Yeah, I did know there was
speed bumps in the employee
parking lots.
>> It's good for the goose is.
>> Interesting point. The
general -- we don't have them in
Pointe-Claire. If there are some
they are private, usually. But
it's an interesting point.
Always a debate whether we
should or shouldn't. There has,
over the years, there has been a
consensus in Pointe-Claire
politics not to have them.
>> My problem is why did they
take down the stop signs to
begin with?
>> That's a whole other issue.
That can certainly be looked
into for sure.
>> If it keeps up, getting a
quart of wood and the first guy
I see coming down there he's
going to get a 16 inch piece of
wood in his windshield.
>> Well. I would encourage you
to refrain on that one.
[Laughter]
We had an interesting -- it's
funny, we had a semi traffic
circle situation in front of a
Pointe-Claire school. We ended
up putting a sign up for a
similar reason. It sounds like
in the Chester example -- the
use of a stop sign maybe a
solution there. I have to speak
to Mark and the traffic
committee.
>> Do something to -- I don't
care if there is a sign up
there, a stop sign. People are
doing in American stock. Fine,
but at least they are slowing
down. That is the sad part about
it. And on my street, it's
mostly seniors. You know? That
is my request.
>> As was the case for the
gentleman from De La Roche, we
do have a density problem
vis-à-vis-ish infrastructure. As
you mentioned, people are not
using sources. This is a result
of having an awful lot of people
in an area with not enough roads
to let them park.
>> I will wait to see what
happens.
>> You know, it's a very good
question. What I'm taking away
from this is, looking after the
shrubs from how they do from --
>> In reality, I can tell you
right now, there is three. There
is one of the corner of Queens,
right across from the church. It
is not a hedge. It is all trees.
You have to get out in the mount
pleasant to see anything come
from your left. Following down
on Mount Pleasant, you hit
another house that is right on
the circle if you are coming
down Chester, you can't see what
is coming down Mount Pleasant.
Going around the circle, the
house that is on the east,
southeast side, this fellow,
it's the way his lot is shaped.
But he has tried to cut back.
But you still have to slow down
and look. I don't know how many
times I've got a slab on my
bricks. This is a safety issue,
as far as I'm concerned.
>> Fair enough. This is what --
did you want to answer, Cynthia?
>> I just wanted to mention,
there is actually a lot in the
city called triangle visibility.
If you have any of those
situations, the best thing is to
let your councillor know or call
Public Security. They will come
and measure all of that. And if
it needs to be cut back, they
will. Perhaps we can send public
security to look at that area
for you.
>> I know myself I would
appreciate it.
>> No problem.
>> It could be brought to the
traffic committee.
>> Or just public security right
away. What did you write? Queen,
Chester, Mount Pleasant. It
would be helpful if we had the
actual address.
>> I think I outrank you in
hockey coaches. 40 years.
>> I did eight. Thank you very
much.
>> The father for pertaining to
the register health September
8th, the 22nd, 2023, with
respect to bylaw 29. Just hold
on a second. Held with respect
to the bylaw 29 60 long term
borrowing in the amount of
19,000,500 for phase two of the
Public Awards Building
extension. No signatures were
received. The bylaw has deemed
to be approved by the qualified
voters. 5.2 Avis de motion et
dépôt d'un projet de Règlement
décrétant les tarifs exigibles
pour le financement de biens,
services et activités offerts
par la Ville de Pointe-Claire
pour l'exercice financier 2024,
de façon générale, la
tarification des biens et
services a été augmenté de 3,5%,
malgré un IPC qui était de 6,8%
pour la dernière année dans la
région du Canada. La
tarification pour le non
résidentiel est établi en
fonction d'un écart de 140% du
tarif résidentiel.
>> Who gives this notice of
motion? Oh, he went to the
bathroom.
>> Brent Cowan, district A.
>> 5.3, adoption of a bylaw
creating a financial reserve
related to certain activities of
the Pointe-Claire volunteer
rescue unit, a bylaw was adopted
in 2016 establishing a maximum
Reserve of $100,000. As well as
expiry date of December 31st
2025. Currently, this amount has
almost been reached. To enable
the Pointe-Claire volunteer
rescue unit to continue
accepting donations in exchange
for their services, and to
ensure some management of their
operating budget, it is
recommended that the maximum
amount be increased to $200,000,
and the expiry date be extended
to the September 31st, 2023.
>> Do I have a mover?
>> Eric Stork, district seven.
>> A seconder?
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,
district six.
>> All in favour?
>> 6.1 Déposer une déclaration
d'intérêts pécuniaires pour un
membre du conseil suivant son
élection du 23 avril 2020, trois
le conseiller doit produire une
déclaration d'intérêts
pécuniaires et, par la suite, à
chaque anniversaire de son
élection, pour la durée de son
mandat.
>> Six, to approve the
evaluation criteria to be used
within the -- upon imitation for
an eco recognition and --
ecological challenges
considering the challenges of
buildings, life cycle analysis,
and the ecological footprint of
materials will be analyzed in
order to give the city with the
best current knowledge.
>> Do I have a mover?
>> Cynthia, district five.
>> Seconder?
>> Claude Cousineau, district
one.
>> All in favour?
10.1 Déposer la liste des
amendements budgétaires et le
registre des chèques pour la
période du 24 août 2023 au 20
septembre 2023.
>> 11 point, one to mandate the
-- assume the defence of mayor
Tim Thomas in superior court
file dash -- 761 dash 231, under
the city and towns act,
municipalities are required to
defend a council member who is
being sued, provided certain
conditions are met in the case
at hand the City must assume the
defence of the mayor, who is the
defendant in the proceeding
before the court based on an
alleged action or mission in the
performance of his duties as a
council member. 11.2 Mandater le
cabinet Bélanger Sauvé, avocats
pour intervenir au nom de la
Ville de Pointe-Claire dans le
dossier 500-17-126761-231. En
vertu de la Loi sur les cités et
villes, la ville est tenu de
faire des dépenses pour assurer
sa défense devant un tribunal
Loi sur demande remporter la
course totalité de sa dépendance
ou une partie de celle-ci. Dans
certains temps qui
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ouverture. Si elle n'est pas
déjà parti à cette procédure, la
ville peut-il intervenir auprès
de faire ou de soutenir cette
demande.
>> Do I have a mover?
>> Paul Bissonnette, district
two.
>> Seconder?
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.
>> Mister Mayor, I would like to
speak to this issue before we
vote.
>> Okay.
>> I'm speaking relative to
point number 11.2. The mandate
with -- this is in my opinion
and wisdom, reading much of what
has been written on this issue,
it's a highly technical area. In
fact, the jurisprudence on this
is rather complicated. In
essence, who had the particular
mandate speaks to is what I'm
referring to. There really is no
time limit in terms of when we
need to drop this pop particular
resolution. We can do it today,
we can do in a few, weeks we can
do it in a few months. We can do
it after the particular court
date. My preference would be to
move this to a later date. Some
on Council might argue that that
is something that might have
mentioned earlier in our
discussions, but seeing as we
are caught up in so many
different themes, particularly
the budget and financial
information that's coming along,
it does take a little while to
digest all this information. Why
is options that Council has no
appetite to move something like
this for the route into the new
year or later in 2024. And
unless there is, I would move
that we do that. And I would
have to be given indication at
this meeting. The reason I'm
thinking along these lines is
specifically to be able to give
the mayor an opportunity to
speak and consult with his
lawyer on obtaining a briefing
and understanding of what all
the legalities behind this mean
and what he may or may not be
subjected to. I greatly
appreciate the brief I've
received from Mr. Thibault on
this issue as well. But in this
case, I think I, to, have a
concern about the finances that
would result from any payment in
a legal situation. I appreciate
the concern and the need to act
on this internally. But I think
it would be justifiable to give
the mayor a longer opportunity
to be able to obtain the
briefing that I think would be
justified and just in that
manner. I also do have some
lingering concerns, although I
do have some lingering concerns
about this whole process
actually costing the city more
money we. And so, for that
reason, my current view on this
would be to vote no or to, in
looking at councillors around
the table, to move that we
perhaps look at it at a later
date for this particular
resolution. I leave it there.
>> Do I have a seconder?
>> I have a comment, Mister
Mayor?
>> I'm asking if there is a
seconder.
>> I'm allowed to comment,
Mister Mayor.
>> He's moved the amendment.
>> Councillor Tremblay is moving
and I'm asking for a seconder.
Is there a seconder?
>> I'm allowed to comment. Am I
allowed to comment? Thank you.
Thank you, Mister Mayor, for
respecting my right to comment.
>> I am the chair, Councillor
Stork. Just so you know.
>> I noticed, I noticed.
>> Thank you.
>> I would like to point
something out in reference to
what was just said about the
time limit as to why we should
have a motion to delay this.
There are two important reasons.
One is that there is a cost
savings as well. Because you
don't have the set to separate
trials. That is straight off the
bat. The second reason is very
simple, that if it is so
determined in the determination
by the lawsuit we that there is
no definition of whether any any
intentional actions without the
duties of the Mayor, we are
asking the judge to determine
immediately so it doesn't have
to be determined after the fact
on a separate trial. So it is we
for simplicity and -- cost
savings. I would like to mention
Mr. Tremblay that I would've
been very thoughtful to be
discussed, it would be mentioned
prior, not brought up at this
time. It is pretty opportune
time to bring this up. Thank
you.
>> I would like to address the
motion from the floor as well.
>> Go ahead, Councillor Cowan. I
don't see how time has any
bearing on this at all. This is
a court case. Nothing is going
to be discussed outside of the
trial, whenever the trial
occurs. I could be years from
now. Whether we do it now or
later, it is rather irrelevant.
There is no additional
information that we are going to
be able to assess. Because all
that information will be vetted
to the trial, which there is no
date. It could be two years from
now. Some of these trials take
ten years to get the court.
>> So prior to moving in
seconding, on 0.1 and point to,
I just want to point out that I
am yet without representation. I
can't speak to, this although I
would like to. I cannot because
I'm without representation. 4.11
point to 11 point, to do I have
a mover?
>> We are now.
>> Oh, we haven't voted. All in
favour? We have a mover and a
seconder? All in favour? All
against?
>> I'm in favour of 11.1 and not
in favour of 11.2.
>> Okay. Duly noted.
-
>> 12.1. 12 when, went to file a
list of dedicated to have staff
changes for the month of October
23.
- 12.2, Approuver la liste des
changements au personnel par
décisions non déléguées au 3
octobre 2023.
>> 12.3, approve the amendment
of the respect for persons
policy. We must update our
respect for people or persons
policy implemented in August
2013. To comply with the, law
the orientation conveyed by the
respect for persons policy is
based on a zero tolerance
approach and accountability for
all members of the miscible
Canada community in the
workplace. More specifically the
policy specifies the behaviours
expected within the organization
in terms of respect, a, rules
and responsibilities of the
municipal community, as well as
the mechanisms set forth to meet
the are -- linked to set policy.
>> Pour ces points... do I have
a mover?
>> Eric Stork, district seven.
>> Seconder?
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,
district six.
>> All in favour?
- 14.1, Se prévaloir de l'option
de renouvellement prévue au
contrat intervenu avec Tech-Mix,
une division de Bauval Inc.,
pour l'année 2024, au montant de
67030,43 $, taxes incluses, pour
la fourniture et la livraison
sur demande de l'asphalte tiède
à viscosité élevée incluant le
polymère pour utilisation
hivernale. L'asphalte obtient
des requis pour l'utilisation
hivernale lors de travaux de
réparation des bris d'aqueduc,
nids-de-poule et entretien de la
surface
(inaudible)
.
>> 14 point, two to award a
contract for mattress and box
spring disposal and reversing
services for the use 2024, 2025,
and 2026. To recycle mattress
and, for the total of $4,075.50,
taxes included, with the years
2027 and 2020 in option. In
accordance with the sustainable
development policy adopted by
the City in 2017, the public
works department is making
necessary efforts to divert as
much material as possible for
landfills to this and the city
offers the collection of large
upholstered items to its
citizens relies on the services
of an external company to
repurpose items, such as
mattresses, box brings, and
futons, collected at ecocentres
and during the door-to-door
special collections.
- 14.3, Octroyer un contrat pour
le déneigement des poteaux
d'incendie de la ville de
Pointe-Claire pour la saison
hivernale 2023-2024, à 9042-0845
Québec Inc., pour un montant
total de 50129,10 $, taxes
incluses, avec la saison
2024-2025 en option. Ce contrat
est requis pour le déneigement
de l'ensemble des bureaux...
poteaux d'incendies, plutôt,
afin de les rendre à...
accessible en tout temps hiver
pour la sécurité des citoyens.
>> 14.4, to award a contract for
ruling and maintenance of winter
trails and cross-country scales
-- ski trails in the county of
Pointe-Claire for the 2023, 2024
season. To consumption snow tech
Inc. for the amount of -- and 48
cents, taxes included. With a
2024 2025 and 20 2025 2026
seasons and option. This
contract is required to provide
rooming and maintenance services
for snow,, hiking and cross
country ski trails on the
Beaconsfield golf course, as
well as hiking trails in ten
parks, including terracotta park
and the pedestrian walkway.
- 14.5, Octroyer un contrat pour
la fourniture et la livraison de
chlorure de sodium
(sel traité de déglaçage des
chaussées)
pour l'année 2024, à Cargill
Sel, Sécurité Routière, une
division de Cargill Ltée, pour
un montant total de
1082328,66 $, taxes incluses.
Cet appel d'offres a été fait
dans le cadre de l'entente cadre
avec la Ville de Montréal, en se
regroupant avec les
arrondissements et les villes
reconstituer le bénéfice des
achats regroupées pour
l'acquisition de ce type de
produits sont intéressants. Nous
profitons d'un meilleur prix à
cause du volume d'achat et nous
serons les coûts quand Jean-Noël
le lancement des appels d'offres
pour ces produits.
- Pour les cinq derniers
>> Do I have postes... a mover?
Point, plutôt.
- Bruno Tremblay, je propose
l'adoption de ces points,
district six.
>> And a seconder?
>> Brent Cowan, district eight.
>> All in favour?
>> 14.6, approve a change order
of the contract changed into
with -- four amount of 58,000 in
a three cents, tax included. The
changes to accelerate the
printing and filling schedule
and to provide about four 2023,
to enable the City to
proactively mitigate risks and
better prepare trees to
withstand extreme situations.
14.7 Régulariser les dépenses
envers Les Rénovations Jocelyn
Décoste Inc., pour des travaux
de contrôle d'espèces végétales
exotiques envahissantes et
d'entretien en milieux naturels
dans le parc Terra-Cotta et
autres sites de la Ville, pour
l'année 2023, pour un montant de
10239,17 $, taxes incluses. La
présente demande de
modifications vise à ajuster le
montant alloué...
donc la présente demande de
modification vise ajuster le
montant alloué pour l'année 2023
de dispositions contractuelles
basé sur l'IPC.
>> 14.8, to appeal resolution
2021 dash 1:41 in a point the
City authorized representative
to sign and submit documents and
to apply all fees related to the
transaction, file account, with
specific sort of illusion on
behalf of the city of
Pointe-Claire, and it is still
on the authorization to
Alexander Leonard, Mr. Walker
Ouellet, and Christian basement
assign documents, summit request
for a document copies, and to
apply all fees regional
transactions to the city's
account at the city -- de
Québec.
>> For 14.7 and 14.8, do I have
a mover?
>> City -- district five.
>> Eric Stork, district seven.
>> All in favour?
15.1 Approuver une modification
au contrat intervenu avec
Construction CPB Inc., pour les
travaux d'agrandissement et
réaménagement des Travaux
Publics, pour un montant de
15158,84 $, taxes incluses.
C'est pour la relocalisation
d'une unité de climatisation
desservant le magasin existant
et les fournitures et
installations des carrelage de
céramique requis au plancher de
la plate-forme élévatrice pour
les personnes en fauteuil
roulant.
>> And 15.2, to approve a change
order with the contract entered
into -- with for the replacement
of the unit at central goal for
the mount of $2,417.17, taxes
included, the lot of cases where
to ply power to new equipment
and consisting of electrical
work.
>> 15.1 15.2, do I have a mover?
Brent Cowan, district 8.
>> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,
district 6.
- Monsieur Cousineau, vous votez
pour ou contre?
- Je vote contre le 15.1.
- Merci. 16.1 Approuver une
modification au contrat
intervenu avec Foraction Inc.,
pour la réhabilitation
structurale de la conduite d'eau
potable du chemin de service
Nord entre les avenues Bancroft
et Tecumseh, pour un montant de
10699,40 $, taxes incluses. De
modification contrats doivent
être approuvés. Des travaux de
réparation des bris d'aqueduc
survenue sur les services privés
autre 3535 Transcanadienne lors
de la réparation. Un deuxième
bris est survenue sur un autre
côté qui a dû être réparé. Et
deuxièmement, réparation d'une
fuite à une borne fontaine.
>> 16 by two, approve a change
order to the contract entered
into with P and G project
management Inc., for the
creation of a park in the walls
and sector for amount of
$13,815.40, taxes included. With
a modification including the
installation of a taller fence
than the one specified in the
contract, as well as the removal
of interlocking paving stones
and the repair of the pathway.
16.3 Approuver une entente à
intervenir avec la Société de
transport de Montréal
(STM)
concernant les mesures
préférentielles pour bus et les
travaux sur les feux de
circulation Axe Saint-Jean et
Des Sources. La STM influencera,
pardon. La STM effectuera divers
travaux et remplacement
d'équipements afin de permettre
une synchronisation complète de
l'axe. Cela permettra également
de s'assurer de la compatibilité
et du fonctionnement des
équipements avec le système de
détection de la STM.
>> 16.4, two others request to
amend the agreement concerning a
contribution within the -- the
transfer active for the project
concerning the construction of a
pedestrian and cyclist bridge
over Highway 20 on Saint John
Boulevard in Pointe-Claire. The
budget modification aims to --
pedestrian and cyclist over
passed in line with the Austin
Avenue extension. By doing so
will provide faster and safer
access to the new Fairview
Pointe-Claire REM station. For
more users south of Highway 20.
Sorry, southern highway 40.
>> For 16.1 to 16.4, do I have a
mover?
-
>> Claude Cousineau, district
un. District 2
>> -- district 1.
>> All in favour?
- 17.1 Considérer une demande de
dérogation mineure concernant la
propriété sise au 146, avenue
d'Arrowhead Crescent pour
permettre perron avant de
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plutôt que le maximum de 5
mètres carrés. Pardon, les
personnes présentes peuvent
s'adresser au Conseil concernant
les systèmes 17.1 à 17.3.
17.2, consider minor exemption
request concerning probably
located at 30 Hillcrest Avenue.
It is to pin meant an ancillary
building located 2.5 metres on
the property line rather than
the minimum required of one
metre.
>> For 17.1, 17.2, do I have a
mover?
-
>> Claude Cousineau, district
un. Claude Cousineau, district
1.
>> Brent Cowan, district 8
- 17.3.
>> Considérer une demande de
dérogation mineure concernant la
district all in favour?
Propriété sise au 149, avenue
Vanguard, pour permettre une
clôture dans la marge avant avec
une hauteur de 1,82 mètre plutôt
que le maximum permis de
remettre. De 1 mètre.
>> 17 point, four to -- with
respect to the property located
14 bowling green avenue and
repeal resolutions 2022 dash to
a three and 22 6:26, changes to
previously approved plans in
order to reduce the size of the
brand veranda, maintain repair
acrylic stucco, apply acrylic
stucco, build a window instead
French doors on the elevation.
- 17.5 Considérer les plans
d'implantation et d'intégration
architecturale relatifs à la
propriété sise au 130, avenue de
Breslay et abroger les
résolutions 2023-164 et
2023-167. Il faut des
modifications du revêtement
extérieur.
- 17.7 Considérer les plans
d'implantation et d'intégration
architecturale relatifs à la
propriété sise au 18, avenue
Hillcrest. Pour des rénovations
du garage détaché.
>> And 17. Eighth, a second of
resolution for specific
construction alteration
occupation proposal for any
movable also known as a -- and
195 Brunswick boulevard,
authorizing the occupational
building for a mini warehouse.
It's a recess of an extension,
of an existing industrial
building for many private
storage purposes. The building
was renovated in 2019 but was
never knew used in its intended
purpose as a pharmaceutical
manufacturing plant. The
proposed use does not comply
with the zone bylaw. The minimum
parking spaces make it a real
chance to use the existing
building for industrial
purposes. Planning advisory
committee expressed its view,
which is that due to the fact
that the existing building is
greatly limited to the type of
use it can occupy, given the
lack of parking, permitting
public storage use, should be
considered.
>> So for 17.3 to 17.8, do I
have a mover?
>> I move that we grant the
exemption to 17.3 and approved
the site Planning Act angel
programs plans to 17.4 and adopt
the second draft resolution for
the -- and 17. Eight, Brent
Cowan, district 8.
>> I second, 17.3 to 17.7. And
against 17. Eight.
>> You can't see it.
>> We need another seconder. We
have a seconder. Another
seconder, and then Councillor --
can vote against in the vote.
>> 17.3 to 17.7.
>> 17., Eight different one.
>>
- District district 6,.
>> All in favour?
Est-ce que vous allez voter
contre quelque chose Monsieur
Cousineau?
- Je vote contre le 17.8.
>> Just to be clear, all in
- Favour?
Monsieur Tremblay?
- Vous votez pour lesquels
présentement, je veux juste être
clair?
- Je vote
>> Pour 17.3 to 17.8. They vote
for all of. And then I think
Councillor Claude Cousineau and
Councillor Paul Bissonnette vote
for 17. Eight.
- Monsieur monsieur Cousineau,
monsieur Bissonnette, vous votez
contre 17.8? 18.1 Autoriser la
soumission d'une demande auprès
du Ministère de l'Éducation dans
le cadre du Programme d'aide
financière aux infrastructures
récréatives, sportives et de
plein air, pour le projet de
rénovation de l'infrastructure
du Centre aquatique de
Pointe-Claire. Ce programme vise
à financer la construction,
l'aménagement et la mise aux
normes ou la rénovation
d'installations sportives
récréatives.
>>
18.2, to authorize -- the
Toronto art festival, 26 to
October 29th in Toronto. It is a
showcase of over hundred
galleries from across Canada and
abroad, making contemporary the
biggest contemporary art event
in Canada.
>> For 18. One to 18.2 --
>> -- 04
>> All in favour?
>> Foreclosure, do I have a
mover?
>> Eric Stork
-, District 7 merci tout le
monde..
>>
[Sous-titrage en direct:
VITAC Canada] Bruno Tremblay,
district 6.
>> Can I eat, folks.